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My caveman

 

I praise the Creator
if there is one
God is great
when he’s around
all glory to Gaia
if we can save her

I collapse in awe
at the big bang
of Shakti and Shiva,
while pondering the Great Trinity,
no, not them, I mean
Marx, Darwin and Freud 

They truly freed us
from divine intervention
destiny or blaming
submission or shaming.
When we know our history,
of class, life and mind,
whatever then happens
we understand why,
we can even change it.

So why when despairing
alone in the cosmos
or ecstatic exalting
in natures great glory
does this caveman crawl out
from the depths of my mind
and deify all that I can’t comprehend?

Oh the question’s rhetorical, undialectical
I’m fond of my caveman,
he’s saved me a lot.
From despair and ennui,
from blandness and greyness
he’s saved me most often,
it’s true,
from myself.

 
— weirdelf, Aug 26, 2008

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Region, Country: Sydney, Australia, AUS

Favorite Poets: The Romantics, The Mersey Sound, The Beats and, of course, The Bard

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Barbara Writes

Barbara Writes

17 years 9 months ago

Really Good writing

Smiles:) Barbara We disagree on much here, but you expressed your view very well in a masterful poetic style with a flawless flow and rhythm.
Barbara Writes

Barbara Writes

17 years 9 months ago

Gunga Din?

Smiles:) Barbara You are welcome, Wow thanks for the compliment hope to be qualified as an advocate here one day. right now too sick to take on responsibilities. My hubby claims I short circuit my brain learning computers after age 40. plan to go back in January and at least get the specialist certificate. hope i can make. hate not to finish something.
Barbara Writes

Barbara Writes

17 years 9 months ago

Gunga Din?

Smiles:) Barbara You are welcome, Wow thanks for the compliment was hoping to get better at it,hope to be qualified as an advocate here one day. right now too sick to take on responsibilities. My hubby claims I short circuit my brain learning computers after age 40. plan to go back in January and at least get the specialist certificate. hope i can make. hate not to finish something.
weirdelf

weirdelf

17 years 9 months ago

Gunga Din

a character from a great poem by RUDYARD KIPLING, read it, its online. Wishing and praying for your health cheers, Jess
t. reflexion

t. reflexion

17 years 9 months ago

Tribute to wierdelf

The metaphysical voice of the poet Presents the Caveman as a saviour Defying all that he can not comprehend This is true, not only for him But for most of us I was looking for the Caveman Now that I have found him He is truly a friend. If I may ask, Who are they? I mean Gaia, Shakti and Shiva I like this poem. It is really good. Best wishes for peace profound.
weirdelf

weirdelf

17 years 9 months ago

thanks T.Rex

(mind if I call you that? you are not a Tyrannosaurus Rex but I can't resist the pun) I would have liked to refer to other major religions but Gaia is the Goddess, the Earth herself in Wiccan, In Tantric Hindu the fuck (Big Bang) (another pun) between Shakti and Shiva created the Universe. To include a referenc to Bhuddism what do you think of- desire is illusion if you haven't got one ? Perhaps a bit too insulting, I respect Bhuddism and elements of all religions I have studied, and have studied many, practice a sort of primitive shamanism, not exclusively, hence the caveman. Thank you for your best wishes but I never expect to achieve profound peace, my life is like a pinball machine where I control the flippers and am the ball but there are many active traps, bumpers and obstacles. And even us Elves only get 5 balls (with occasional magical extras). cheers, Jess
t. reflexion

t. reflexion

17 years 9 months ago

Thank you

I have learnt something here, please forgive my ignorance. I also like the name wiccan. It must be a beautiful place. Cheers!
themoonman

themoonman

17 years 9 months ago

Hi Jess...

I do hope you don't tilt the machine...lol loved your poem and the content... it does flow excellently.. I believe the caveman in us saves us all from time to time.. Richard
weirdelf

weirdelf

17 years 9 months ago

oh man! I tilt all the time!

why do you think I'm so fucked up? then again, you can't win without just the right amount of nudge. Thanks, glad you appreciated it. For once i wrote a spiritual peom that should be only mildly offensive to those who should be caring more for their neighbours than their dogma, and i don't mind offending them, in fact I exalt in it. cheers, Jess
themoonman

themoonman

17 years 9 months ago

Wonderful thing... poetry.

your words are having that...life of their own thing.. going.. on through the readers minds and getting what each one gets. Yes.. it is a wonderful thing.. to me the caveman in me is the one who accepts life without the questions and reacts to it without thinking about all I've learned and earned to get here.. at least that is what I got.. but .. that's me.. a true life of it's own poem cheers to you Richard
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DarkinAZ

17 years 9 months ago

Was it not cave man.....?

who invented the wheel, found fire ect... I think you are on to something Jess and do not even know it. I think you are realizing that all things started with God. Coming to terms with him, rather him revealing himself to you in a prehistoric way, I have faith my friend that when it is all said and done we will be friends in the heavens. Unless there is no debate in heaven, then God will probably not let you in, LMAO! Love the write, title and everything! Your friend, Mark
weirdelf

weirdelf

17 years 9 months ago

Him?

We could start an argument right there. She is a black gay whale. Oh, your god would never let me in, wouldn't want to go there anyway, Lucifer is cuter and has way more fun. cheers, Jess
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barbsdad2003

17 years 9 months ago

Points ...

well made. Though I'm unwilling to give Marx/Lenin credit for much of anything, since they simply established a nonreligion religion. As to Freud, he slipped much too often. So I guess that leaves me mostly with my DNA'd self. Which is not all that bad when I consider the alternative(s). Thanx, Chuck
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barbsdad2003

17 years 9 months ago

Of the three you mention ...

Jess, I most respect Darwin. It's astonishing how Fundamentalists remain so hidebound in the face of such overwhelming scientific fact. They like to deride it as mere theory---but evolution stands well beyond the layman/common understanding of theory. And speaking of theory, it's their God/god who's entirely theoretical ... in the sorriest slapdash way of unproved assumption. Thanx again, Chuck
autumnphoenix

autumnphoenix

17 years 9 months ago

Hello Jess

Well done. As I have said God is many things to many people. I think you have a belief in (a) creator of some kind. What ever the name, your heart is known. If you remember my comments to your alien poem you see where I am going with this. You will find the religion you need in this life. There is a need in every human to believe in something greater then ourselves. The cave man looked up at the heavens and thought, "WOW". After that he was never the same. Your caveman is everyman. Well done. Dana
autumnphoenix

autumnphoenix

17 years 9 months ago

That my friend is your

That my friend is your religion. The doctrine of Jess, spititual shaman. I completely understand, I take what I am drawn to from the older traditions. I don't believe in baptist, catholic, methodist, etc. These give people an occasion to argue. Stay true to yourself Jess. Your "pagan christian" friend, Dana
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akabeks

17 years 9 months ago

your poem is for the advanced mind...

Hello, this piece is like the rain,it falls on everybody...the uninitiated get soaked and catch cold while the advanced get washed and pure. "...all our knowledge brings us nearer to our ignorance, all our ignorance brings us nearer to death, but nearness to death no nearer to God..."---T .S. Elliot. respect. akabeks.
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easylife_2

17 years 9 months ago

Very good write

I agree with Akabeks on all counts,God is different things to different people and I chose to call him God of our hearts and our realisation.I especially like your works and your critique,would add you to my buddylist.Thank you.
weirdelf

weirdelf

17 years 9 months ago

we agree on a lot

I love your compassion and a lot of your poetry. We disagree on many things but we do it respectfully (well, often I am not respectful, sorry) That is why I value you as a friend Jess
Barbara Writes

Barbara Writes

17 years 9 months ago

Thanks Jess

Smiles:) Barbara That means a lot coming from you as I too value you as a friend. I make so many errors my heart lay in wait to be forgiven of others.
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orgami

17 years 9 months ago

the seperate self

I love Neopoet for its comments Cavemen discussing and GOD I know many people who have good reason to not believe in God I believe in Mother-Earth and the moon for me is female I believe in the elements and Spring and Winter Solstice give me singing and a hand drum even though a grand cathedral organ playing Bach Toccata sends shivers down my spine I know the caveman knows me But do I know of the caveman???? Again my thinker freind poet Weirdelf you defy atypical action and make me think what a great poem here I enjoyed this very very much today it was needed
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DarkinAZ

17 years 9 months ago

Spotlight! BAM!

You got the "Big Bang" you were looking for, Spotlight and Evolution. Good Job, Mark
weirdelf

weirdelf

17 years 9 months ago

Wasn't lookin for it

but chuffed to get it onw new, one revised. Blame Barabara, she inspired mecheers, Jess
Barbara Writes

Barbara Writes

17 years 9 months ago

Wow

Smiles:) Barbara I inspire you :) thanks, I like making people happy.
Rob Graber

Rob Graber

17 years 9 months ago

“It was them truly freed

"It was them truly freed us"--I like that phrase, and the entire poem. (Come to think of it, I believe the prestige dialect would call for "they"; but I think it sounds better as is.)
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orgami

17 years 9 months ago

I agree with Rob

Yes "them" thanks Rob (and I re read this poem, amazing!)
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Pandemonium

17 years 9 months ago

Applause!!

<> <> Your poem is a killer . I enjoyed reading it very much... Its the tone of balance that you maintain between simple questions and declaratives. Great job.
infinite_dwarf

infinite_dwarf

17 years 9 months ago

Jess

You're most entitled to your religious preferences, my friend. The Church Of Jess. While I disagree with the content, the poem itself is astounding. I think this is one of your best yet. Someone's Caveman may be Buddha, other Shiva, others the little red ant that just walked over their shoe. My Caveman is our Lord Jesus Christ. Your Caveman comes from the heart, and is just as intriguing. Well done, mate. ~Jess ---------------------------------------------------- "I hope no one asks me to show them the ropes; I have no idea where they are. Maybe I can pull some strings and find out...." - George Carlin
weirdelf

weirdelf

17 years 9 months ago

"church" is dirty word

The planet and the cosmos, all creation is church Must admit I have been inspired by two churches. Medieval cathedrals are magnificent, I even lit a candle for the dead on Septmeber 12, 2001. The other was a tiny chapel on the shore of Lake Tekapo, NZ. The back wall was glss, showed us the glory of creation. cheers, Jess
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amalzamani

17 years 9 months ago

Interesting!

I’m not sure what the image of the “caveman” represents in this poem…is it the inquisitive mind? cavemen did not have the knowledge we have today…they had to start knowledge out of nothing!...I don’t think they tried to defy what they don’t understand…I imagine they were thirsty for the smallest hint of what’s going on around them…so they probably absorbed and stored every message they’ve received and every lesson they’ve attended. What confused me a bit more is when you said “He’s saved me a lot”….some explanations on the last two stanzas would be highly appreciated. Thought provoking…thank you Jess
weirdelf

weirdelf

17 years 9 months ago

two different words. Defy, deify.

Deify atributes godlike properties to the mundane, or perhaps to the godlike. The caveman is all lack of knowledge, but perhaps not wisdom. The last 2 stanzas imply that our inate humanity can save us sometimes more than science, cheers, Jess
weirdelf

weirdelf

17 years 9 months ago

mmm the caveman refers to

mmm the caveman refers to opposition to my intellect, my emprical knowledge. I don't mind admitting I am a very intelligent person, well read in a lot of fields. My cavean keeps me humble. If is something tru;y inecplicable I call it magic, the farie folk or as a lst resort god. I am a scientist poet. Whatever is incomprehenibly to me I call mgic or god. If I have one article of faith it is we really can understand everthing, the gods wil die. “He’s saved me a lot” came from Frued he allowed us to know what we all do and say is not what we really mean. Marx is not communism, we have been indroctinated against Communist govrnments. Marx really only suggested a more humanly system, where people share and care and exploitation is a crime. Darwin is unassaiable except to ignorant fundamentalists. It regrieves me that people can be so willfly ignorant and stupid, cheers, Jess
tbeaudet

tbeaudet

17 years 9 months ago

Although we disagree on much

this is by far the best piece of writing I have ever seen posted by you. It is well crafted and structured. I disagree with a lot of it, but it is well written. Tom
weirdelf

weirdelf

17 years 9 months ago

thank you,

that is really appreciated. I argue tooth and nail with those I most repect. Hugs are good too. cheers, Jess
Rett

Rett

17 years 9 months ago

Well jess

I have been reading this over and over for days trying to figure out what to say. I think I have it finally. As you would put it, the writing is Bloody Brilliant, some of the content I agree with some not (naturally). I give you that Marx was a great thinker unfortunately what he came up with was a way to allow the corrupt to control every aspect of a population and basically destroy self worth. Darwin was a great thinker that believed in creation and then evolution even though wrong on some aspects which I have no problems with whatsoever. Freud was a truly great thinker that learned a damn lot about the human psyche, but even he made mistakes. The rest of them I am indifferent to and you know my feelings on religion. All in all Jess, I have to say that this is an awesome write even if I differ on a lot of the aspects of it Damn fine! Respectfully, Rett: "The only thing observable with the naked eye to exceed the speed of light is rumor" Unknown
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W.C.Wampler

17 years 9 months ago

Nice twist on a popular topic

Weird Elf, I had you figured for a thinking man. If I get the twist in this piece, I'm right. Nicely done. wcw
weirdelf

weirdelf

17 years 9 months ago

I am a thinking man, a poet,

I am a thinking man, a poet, a mathematician and scientist and a nasty twisted piece of work when provoked by bigotry and ignorance. Some people even think i am kind, sometimes. cheers, Jesscheers, Jess
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W.C.Wampler

17 years 9 months ago

Adding to my comment

The caveman is very relatable, with, as you say, lack of knowledge, but not lack of intelligence, and no religous precident. I've studied these subjects, but instead of the utter mind blankness of my idea of a caveman, I feel an ordinary zen monk come to my inner forefront, and asses life situations with some knowing, an opinion only valuable to myself, and a determination to try to apply what I've learned. Thanks for the motivational work. wcw
weirdelf

weirdelf

17 years 8 months ago

oh dear! the worst insult

oh dear! the worst insult you can give my work is "motivational" though I know you didn't mean it to be, always makes me think of Hallmark cards and "inspirational" speakers, bloody wankers. Get you on the Zen thing, I suspect, from my studies, that mostly came about when populations increased and the neighbours started to complain about all the drum beating and howling 8) cheers, Jess
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leonard daranjo

17 years 9 months ago

Congratulations Jess

on making the spotlight. I really enjoyed your poem - especially the reference to the caveman. The way I see it is it is necessary to harbour that caveman in order to remain sane . Aldous Huxley spoke of the Savage as the only sane voice in the Brave New World. I read this book a long time ago but, if my memory serves me correctly, while everyone else wanted order and predictability, the savage found meaning in the tumultuous unpredictablity of life. The reference to Buddhism which speaks of desire being an illusion and desire being the root of all our suffering seems rather paradoxical but if this is paradoxical what about these lines from the Bhagwat Gita: "Whatever has happened in the world is good; whatever is happening is good and whatever will happen is good" Are we being told that that cosmic plan is too huge for us to understand? Pretty devastating - isn't it? Cheers ... Leonard
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rider68

17 years 9 months ago

I Add My Congratulations Jess

Have to say that this is maybe one of my favorites of yours, very well written and deserving of the spotlight, Drinks all round.....ah Best Regards Peter ~~~~~~~~~Creativity Is to think more efficiently~~~~~~~~~~
weirdelf

weirdelf

17 years 9 months ago

Many thanks for all the thoughtful comments.

There has been some misunderstanding of my concept of "Caveman". It was actually meant as a self-deprecating jeer at my failure to keep searching for truth and let my superstitions come to the fore. Hence my studies in theology, I seek for truth there too, but find mostly dogma and ignorance. At the same time in order to explain the ineffableI have used at various times Jesus, Bhudda, the Eldritch and Animism, currently find Shamanism and poetry most pragmatic. cheers, Jess
whitetea

whitetea

17 years 9 months ago

A line from an indigo girls

A line from an indigo girls song comes to mind if not the whole song, 'the less I seek one source for some definitive, the closer I am to fine.' Love the poem.
infinite_dwarf

infinite_dwarf

17 years 9 months ago

One more time

Just reread this yet again, and it's still good! I congratulate you for when this made spotlight. Don't like Church of Jess, huh? How about Jessianity, or Jessism? Sound better? LOL! I agree to some degree that meeting is unneccessary. I can worship God anywhere from on the toilet, to driving my car, to standing in line at the grocery just as effectively as being at a meeting hall. (I refer to 'church' to mean the body of people, not the structure. We call "church" meeting...) I did have the opportunity to witness a Mennonite meeting a couple months back, and it was like walking back in time over 100 years ago. It was very simple, no bells and whistles, no idols, no music. My father-in-law's sermon was done from the heart - and wasn't filled with the chastizing and yelling, and fire and brimstone that I'm used to from a Baptist service. If some day I ever decide to become meek and humble, and can wrap my head around full devotion and sacrificing of self, it's a noble belief to hold. Anyway - I digress... Still excellent, my friend, the first, second, and now third time around. Much respect! ~Jess ---------------------------------------------------- "I hope no one asks me to show them the ropes; I have no idea where they are. Maybe I can pull some strings and find out...." - George Carlin
Kailashana

Kailashana

17 years 8 months ago

Jeeze…. missed this…

Jeeze.... missed this... Jess. Must have been when my computer was down. I like to think of you as my poet soulmate. I know I'm a bit shameless, a bit arrogant. ;-) No one can save me from myself. ~A
Kailashana

Kailashana

17 years 8 months ago

First comment for the poem..

First comment for the poem.. This comment re the comments and Jess' answers... My deepest respect for all. It seems I am *home* on poetry lists. The many so-called spiritual/nondual lists are divisive. Leave no room for respectful disagreement. Bows to all. ~Anna
CG

Constantinos G…

17 years 8 months ago

Great work

A deep poem. Great work ! Thank you.