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There Upon a Dismal Day

There Upon a Dismal Day

I looked into a well of souls
And all I saw was silt;
A permafrost of tedium
And shite encrusted guilt.

There happiness lay festering
And clotted with disease
While hopes and dreams were withering
By inches and degrees.

Where once the future, bright and dear,
Was laved at our command,
All that remained was apathy
To blight the naked land.

Resolve stood neither tall nor firm,
And thus gave no reward,
Shattering in obscurity
With dank and dark discord.

Whose hand has stilled the radiance?
Whose hand has slain the souls?
Whose hand has reaped vitality
And kindles it like coals?

And why do we just stand and watch
This orgy of despair?
Like cattle in a winding chute;
Dull, lowing, unaware.

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Motivation and Focus

This is only for folks interested in an actual workshop.  If this is not you, ignore this as I am certain someone, somehow, will be offended and I will have to respond to abject stupidity when all I want is commentary on how to make this poem better.

This started as an example for a contest entry with the following constraints:

Freeform/ Free verse
100 characters or less, including title
Spaces are not considered as characters
Subject = Dirt

The first stanza was of this piece, re-arranged as free verse, was my entry because I was making a point about free verse having more rules than much of structured verse.

But I always knew the poem was not finished, hell, it was barely started and finally, after several months of looking at it I spent a couple of weeks playing around and came out with this depressing piece.  This is not angst as the subject is not "poor me, I am so mistreated, be in awe of me!"  Rather it is a lament at how we as people, as family, as communities, as nations, as society, as the world just stand by and watch disaster play out without doing anything to arrest, modify, or correct it.

What would have turned this into angst would have been a question as to why those who do stand and attempt to change the course are attacked by those who do nothing more than watch even as they pretend a posture of superiority.  Because, to be honest, the answer to the question is easy.  These types of people are parasites and as parasites you can expect nothing more of them nor concern yourself with their praise or disdain.

This was written in alternating tetrameter/trimeter with an X/A rhyme scheme.  In many cases a declining meter with rhyme becomes sing-song but in this case, as the whole, I felt the tone of the piece needed a bit of lightening that this structure provided.  As an aside, this is another example of how structure adds to poetry.  This structure for this subject makes it readable rather than just being completely and utterly depressing. 

To be sure, it is depressing enough but without the structure it would dissolve into little more than angsty whining.


— Pugilist, May 23, 2010

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Region, Country: Jacksonville area, FL, USA, USA

Favorite Poets: Keats, Kipling, Carroll, Yeats, Tolkien, Shakespeare

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Critiques

Beauregard

Beauregard

16 years ago

At first reading

2.2 and 2.4 seemed to end too abruptly. They had the same syllable counts/meter as the other trimeter lines, but something about them wasn't sounding right to me. However once I read it a few more times and really enunciated the meter, they sounded just fine! Strange how that happens. I like how the meter adds a sort of relief to the very intense/depressing topic. At the same time though, it feels odd reading about such a topic in a form that is typically "sing-song" or saved for nursery rhymes. It's different, it's ironic, I enjoyed it. All I can ask is, why the 'e' on the end of shit? Kelsey
Jonathan Moore

Jonathan Moore

16 years ago

2,2 - fixed

Firstly, I am not sure how I made that work in my mind but I figured out the issue once you brought the initial stumble to my attention. The issue, I believe, is more of a sound unit problem than syllable count. Because the feel of the rest of the lines is 4+ words, the sound units of line 2.2 require a re-alignment of reading style and thus create an inherent issue where the feel is wrong even while the syllables are correct. So I chose to extend the image further in a more compatible manner. As for "shite" it is a UK affection I use though Ian has let me know it is mostly used as a verb and I am breaking that context. Still, I wanted a softer word than "shit" that still carried the same meaning. Rather like using "arse" for "ass." But, as always, I appreciate your input and observations. --Jonathan Annoying the world, one person at a time (Group discounts available)
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scribbler

16 years ago

dismal days

Seeing "western classic" is rare enough ,I hesitate to criticize it when it is this well done.Don't know much technical jargon, but it seems in line 14 "as"could be omitted to help flow.Also in line 15 perhaps change"into"to"to" for same reason.Poem's main question seemed more relevant than depressing to me......scribbler
Seren

Seren

16 years ago

Dear Jonathan

Seriously I just sat and reread this a few times the only change I might make is maybe the first line I looked into a well of souls has better flow for me ?but I know changing 'the' to 'a' changes the line wonderful write and the sing song rhyme did lighten the subject and to be honest I was like the scribbler relevant not depressing is my call as well love JayCee ("Quote:-For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it.-Ivan Panin")
Jonathan Moore

Jonathan Moore

16 years ago

Updates

Scribbler and Jayne, Thanks for the review and suggestions. I've revisited lines 14 and 15 to smooth them out. Also, it is interesting to me that the original "free form" version of this opened with "I looked into a well of souls" and I modified it to "the" thinking it read better but, upon review and prompting, I agree, "a well of souls" reads smoother. Again, thank you both for the critique. --Jonathan Annoying the world, one person at a time (Group discounts available)
Jonathan Moore

Jonathan Moore

16 years ago

Apologies

I had meant to remove capitalisation from "Well of Souls" and forgot. But it was stanza 4 which had to be changed. I so wanted to use the word "ruin" but the harder I tried to make it fit the worst the flow was. This, I believe, smooths out the flow and feel of that stanza and removes a bit of pretentiousness from it. As always, thoughts and harsh critique are welcome. --Jonathan Annoying the world, one person at a time (Group discounts available)
Beauregard

Beauregard

16 years ago

yes,

I was going to say since you changed 'the' to 'a' on line one, the capitalization doesn't work anymore. Like I'm not 'a bitch' I am The Bitch. LOL Kelsey
weirdelf

weirdelf

16 years ago

superbly crafted mate, and, call me a bleak bastard,

but i like this more than your usual content. You've probably had a gutful of suggestions by now but I think that last line, lowing and unaware? could have a nice dying fall as lowing... unaware Cheers, Jess, Reprehensibly irrepressible, "the alleged short-cut to knowledge, which is faith, is only a short-circuit destroying the mind." [Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged]
docmaverick

docmaverick

16 years ago

I'll have to agree with the elf....

...as far as taking out the aura of a question, by removing that piece of punctu- ation. It's much better to let the piece finally "die", similarly to the ember of which you spoke. This was a fine effort, in my humble opinion. Thanks for the read. "Write on"! sincerely, #{:-{)}8==== docmaverick.
Kailashana

Kailashana

16 years ago

Methinks this is my

Methinks this is my favourite of yours, Jonathan. Masterful subject/object matter, word usage, rhythm & rhyme. The last paragraph cinched it for me. Well done! May the workshop ideal and its poetry prevail! ~ p.s. The pundits and academia are still trying to come to terms with the poetry of many greats. (Just proves that poetry is a living thing.) "Just as what you dream is your own and no one else can observe it, so the world you see is your own." ~ Nisargadatta
Jonathan Moore

Jonathan Moore

16 years ago

A few things

Based on feedback I modified the last stanza. Taking Doc and Jess' suggestion of adding finality I split the stanza into a question and then answer. Additionally, I reviewed the word choice in the last line and modified it to add a more powerful image, building on the cattle simile, but still maintaining the desired meter. This is a test and I may decide to break meter if, upon review, it works for the poem better than adherence. Also, stanza 4 has been modified slightly. I an still not completely sold on the feel of "shattering in" with line 15 but by substituting "With" for "By" in line 16 I feel the stanza is smoothed out and may be able to live with the inherent discord in line 15. I'll give it a few days and revisit. As a side note, I am not all that fond of this piece. it started as a point about poetry disguised as a contest entry and then stuck in my mind and since it was a depressing first line I felt any false redemption would be, at the very best, silly. So I embraced the darker sentiment and built on it. When my eldest reads this he will chide me for being depressing but I will explain to him the nature of the path along which this was written and he will disagree of the necessity but may relent enough to give an opinion about the structure. Thanks again to everyone for their suggestions and observations. Folks who refuse to listen to advice from other poets are really missing the point. --Jonathan Annoying the world, one person at a time (Group discounts available)
Jonathan Moore

Jonathan Moore

16 years ago

6 observations, 4 revisions

Because I heard someplace this was a poetry workshop and in a workshop you solicit feedback and then decide what would aid your vision and implement it. Silly me. --Jonathan Annoying the world, one person at a time (Group discounts available) Eeek - tense issues - that's what I get for multi-tasking - fixed
Beauregard

Beauregard

16 years ago

I thought I made a comment

about line 15. Guess I forget to hit submit. "shattering in obscurity" --> 'shattered into obscurity' Would that work? Kelsey
Jonathan Moore

Jonathan Moore

16 years ago

It would

Abd I had that at one point but it was pointed out that "into" seemed contrived, They were nicer about it but the result was the same. I'll give it another day or so and try out other word combinations. --Jonathan Annoying the world, one person at a time (Group discounts available)
Kailashana

Kailashana

16 years ago

You know, Jonathan,

You know, Jonathan, there's also another idea(l) that has equal standing in this workshop setting....that is finding oneself too constrained by and/or needing others opinions to feel any value. A poet needs to be flexible in their art and to take criticism-as-an-art form of some merit. However, I have found myself lost at times with the minutiae, should I use an adjective or go with the force of a verb? Should I repeat for effect or will that lose the effect I am seeking? Etc. Etc. Usually I go with my gut, my instincts. As always, a balance is best, at best. ~A "Just as what you dream is your own and no one else can observe it, so the world you see is your own." ~ Nisargadatta
Jonathan Moore

Jonathan Moore

16 years ago

And I do not pretend

My approach should be embraced by everyone. I just state that my approach works for me with consistent results. But a workshop, by its definition, entails getting and reviewing feedback. My issue is not that folks do not implement feedback, it's that they refuse it. --Jonathan Annoying the world, one person at a time (Group discounts available)
Jonathan Moore

Jonathan Moore

16 years ago

Yes, so then I might finally rate everything you have written.

NOTE: This was a response to a person who used 8 accounts. He is no longer with us. Tell, me, does it help you to pretend you have a spine? does it make you feel as if you are more clever to pretend you are tough? My guess is that there is a hole in your life that compels you to act in such a manner and I honestly do pity you. --Jonathan Annoying the world, one person at a time (Group discounts available)
Seren

Seren

16 years ago

A smarter person Jonathan

A smarter person Jonathan would have realised they were going to get caught ... Smiles ... Love JayCee ("Quote:-For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it.-Ivan Panin")
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Orphani

16 years ago

If I remember correctly, he

If I remember correctly, he outed himself. Imo, that meant he was finished of the game and proved what he came here to prove. I can only speak for myself, and I will repeat, this is the internet, few of us here are using our real names, few of us can write so many types of poetry that we have no clue (at least I didn't though Barry mentioned a couple of similarities to style). Most of our poetry is such that if we were blindfolded and listened to the poem we would know immediately who wrote it. Mostly one style or way of speaking, subject matter. I like strawberries (sorry Jonathan, just picked a bowl from my garden) but wouldn't want them every day. And I like them without sugar & cream. Au natural. I salute all 8 of his identites. But colour me curious, Marie-I-Be too? And who else? By the way, when is Kaligantsaros returning? I'd hate for things to get dull and blasé. Just thought of something, the best would be that they were all your identities Jonathan. Sorry. It's the way my head works. Good nite, Neo. Love to all, ~A ~A
Seren

Seren

16 years ago

the only reason he outted

the only reason he outted himself was because he had gotten caught using all the accounts voting himself and licia and all the other accounts into spotlight ... he had been asked for an explanation for the accounts already ... thats why he outted himself ... and the fact that he befriended people on some of those accounts without informing them of who he was ... is just plain foul Love JayCee I will work out how long before Kals back and let you know ... ("Quote:-For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it.-Ivan Panin")
Kailashana

Kailashana

16 years ago

I’m sorry. I really

I'm sorry. I really can't get my head around what the big crime is, and why this *crime* has to be punished other than the old standard: rules are rules. Gee, would anyone suppose some of us are born to make rules, some are to keep rules, some are to enforce rules and some are to break rules? In all types of settings, including a poetry workshop? I am not dismissing the way Neopoet is set up. It's to protect those who can't help but whine & point fingers at the other never looking at their own. It's really a boring, sad and dismal state to be *stuck* in. I know, I've been there. Even visit from time to time. ~ "Just as what you dream is your own and no one else can observe it, so the world you see is your own." ~ Nisargadatta
Jonathan Moore

Jonathan Moore

16 years ago

The Big Crime is this

When joining Neopoet folks agree to behave in a manner that does not violate the Community Guidelines and Terms of Use. When they deliberately break this promise they are saying: "Screw all of you, I'll do what I want! You're not the boss of me!" This is a private community with established rules. If people do not like them, they need not be here. It's like driving. You get a license by first demonstrating a knowledge of the rules. You keep a license by not getting caught breaking the rules. Membership at Neopoet is just like a driver's license, a privilege that may be revoked when folks can't follow the rules they promised to follow. I'm missing the part where this is a difficult concept. --Jonathan Annoying the world, one person at a time (Group discounts available)
Kailashana

Kailashana

16 years ago

I hear you loudly and

I hear you loudly and clearly, but must admit I didn't read the rules. So perhaps my time is over here, since I am remiss. However, never having read them, I think I do a pretty ok job with balancing my act. Being true to myself and making sure I speak my peace. And now the talking stick goes to you. ~A "Just as what you dream is your own and no one else can observe it, so the world you see is your own." ~ Nisargadatta
Jonathan Moore

Jonathan Moore

16 years ago

I'm here for the poetry workshop

And riding heard on bruised egos is a waste of my and others time but it has to be done. Why? Because otherwise the only thing left is the cesspool these bruised ego need to cover their own stench and I am not here for the cesspool, I'm here for the workshop. And the rules we have in place are not onerous. "Be respectful, be fair, don't be a prick" pretty much sums them up and yet, folks challenge simple rules which mean more complex rules must be devised and then folks complain about the more complex rules, which are still blindingly simple. If I were the owner of the site I'd have a simple bullet list of rules and remove anyone who whined about them or refused to follow them. But the people in charge are much nicer than I am so folks get more chances than they deserve and then blame everyone else for their inability to play nice. Alleged talent is not an excuse to treat other people poorly. --Jonathan Annoying the world, one person at a time (Group discounts available)