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Seduction is rape- confessions of an old lothario

 

I discovered sex!
Wow!
But how to get it?

“Want to come to my bed?
We’ll  have fun I said.”
That worked at fifteen.

“umm, I haven’t done it, do you like me?”

“I’m sitting on the roof to watch the sunset”
I should have married that one.

”Let’s get stoned and play”
That worked for many years

“I love your work,
it speaks to me,
in ways I can’t express”
Nailed several artists that way.

“I think I might be gay”
That worked in the seventies,
don’t even think about it post-aids

“I could never write a poem good enough for you”
Worked twice.

“The sun shines from your arse”
(she was a cinematographer, of course it worked)

Now I find that truth hurts,
I have many loving platonic female friends
I don’t carefully choose my shirts
and there are no painful ends

But how to get it?

 









— weirdelf, May 20, 2008

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Region, Country: Sydney, Australia, AUS

Favorite Poets: The Romantics, The Mersey Sound, The Beats and, of course, The Bard

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DarkinAZ

18 years ago

by 'crikey,

Me likey! Pretty cool write, friend. Sincerely, Mark
Rob Graber

Rob Graber

18 years ago

Title?

I would have enjoyed this poem, but I am afraid that the main title trivializes the concept of rape. I don't mean to imply that charming into bed a woman he does not really care for is an admirable thing for a man to do; but to call it rape implies that "rape" would often--even usually--be too fuzzy to objectively identify and prosecute. Indeed, the title as a whole makes it sound like the poem's speaker is rather proud to be identifying himself as a multiple rapist. In short, I never saw a poem in greater need of retitling.
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purplemoondoll

18 years ago

Hmmm I agree with Frost. I

Hmmm I agree with Frost. I see what you are getting at but the title doesn't work for me either. Maybe the title should just be Confessions of an Old Lothario? See what you think. I love the way you have written this though. It works really well and there are some scenarios i can really relate to. Kaz It's impossible to smile on the outside without feeling better on the inside.
weirdelf

weirdelf

18 years ago

The title stays

Any untruth or sly statement to get someone in bed is a form of rape. I didn't like writing this but felt it needed to be said. I have had loving, caring relationships with women but men using lines, including myself, need to be exposed. cheers, Jess
infinite_dwarf

infinite_dwarf

18 years ago

Hmmm

"the sun shines from your arse.." LMAO "By crikey, me likey" ?! LMAO even harder. Jess you do have an amazing way with words. Good write, and just my contro: title makes sense. ~Jess ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ~ "Last night I lay in bed looking up at the stars in the sky and I thought to myself, where the hell is the ceiling??"
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poewriter58

18 years ago

Jess

Don't change a thing why do men use pick up lines anyway why can't they just be honest Chrys
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DarkinAZ

18 years ago

" let's do it"

well, honosty may not always work. LOL! sincerely, Mark
weirdelf

weirdelf

18 years ago

Oh, it's sad but true

Being honest doesn't get you a fuck. Well, at my age it does, but all the hormone driven kids, inhibited by stupid religions, need to use any device they can. Who can blame them except for violent rape or date rape. Humans become sexually active long before law or morality allows. teach them safe sex and let them have fun. It's human. cheers, Jess
Kailashana

Kailashana

18 years ago

May I offer another take?

May I offer another take? It would seem your *lines* were perfectly suited for the moment...you just didn't realize they came from your heart and so thought they were stilted...a line... she said with tongue in cheek. LOL. It's all lines, ain't it? Some just go over better than other ones... Btw, I totally agree with the above...except the *being honest doesn't get you a fuck*...we're always being true to ourselves, whether or not we are so aware. That does make a predicament.. n'est ce pas? Enjoyed your poem and your comments Jess. (Will that be considered a line, she wondered, even as she was pressing the submit button.) ;-) ~Anna
themoonman

themoonman

18 years ago

Hi Jess...

I loved your poem.. it was honest..something I admire about you and your writing... very funny line about the cinematographer.. still laughing.. One thing though... the title... Rape? do you think that seduction is rape? I mean I can see where in some cases it would be... but.? Richard
Barbara Writes

Barbara Writes

18 years ago

spotlight

Smiles:) Barbara first I could not see rape in it anywhere, then. getting drunk sure,trickery yeah Tricking a scared virgin to get her alone I think, is rape
professor

professor

18 years ago

That you now feel guilty about

using chat-up lines to get women to have sex with you would seem commendable on the face of it Jess my friend, but i have yet to meet a woman who would fall for such a crude and obvious device....there will surely have been other things that made them fall for your silver tongue. lol. If you want to feel guilty perhaps it should be for ever imagining the chat-up lines alone could be a verbal form of a date-rape drug. Love the poem though. Keith
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Mandy

18 years ago

Lothario poem

I really liked it.Wonderful first line, with humour at the end of it.The pain and irony in the line 'there are no painful ends'... one of the many things that moves me in the piece.Hope you consider getting it published. Mandy
Marius Surleac

Marius Surleac

18 years ago

strong though sweet

Very well! I've enjoyed this poem and it well-disposed me, bring me the smile on my serious face, even I try to be serious, but what you have just said in few words is true. About the title, I think it is ok though I see "rape" more like a "pushing the bow" to see if it brakes or not. Cheers my friend and glad to read your poem. Best regards, Marius
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Quillsvein1

18 years ago

i've got

to be lewdly honest here, jess: i don't think that at any age i ever minded a woman seducing me. as for men, i guess that would be a different matter entirely: the thing that strikes me is that the content of the poem itself seems exuberant and affirming of the events that took place, but this isn't how you intended it (i don't think?) anyway, great job, and you display a great deal of the sensivity--here in the form of compassion for vulnerable youth--that you so often praise me for. best
RSScheerer

RSScheerer

18 years ago

this is one of those ...

... "hate to love it" poems, I think. We've already discussed this, but I can say it again. I like everything here but the first stanza and the last line - but that would make it a completely different poem. I have to disagree with those who say that getting a person drunk and "taking advantage of them" is not rape, but that's based on personal reasons. Like a few others, I'm not crazy about the title, but I respect this as a whole, the way that you intended it. Best, Ronda
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LadyTheresa

56 years 5 months ago

Not crazy

about your title but enjoyed the poem as a whole Jess. Theresa
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Sean

18 years ago

A poet expresses his

A poet expresses his opinion; the title (in this poem in particular) really portrays your over all principle thought; that you believe "seduction to be rape." By invoking your readers to see your point of view, your job as a poet (instilling reactions from people) has been met, making people "feel," not necessarily feel "good" is the whole point. Nice work.