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morning paper conversatives (no coffee)

the men around here

think in perfect angles. 
     words are a channel of thought.
 all a straight line... 
                   we're here clearing paths
in sandals.

         little snow globe outlooks,
pretty little pieces of plastic
showering down.
nothing out of the glass.
    borders neatly laid.
— whitetea, May 14, 2008

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Region, Country: United States, USA

Favorite Poets: Chrystos, Mark Strand, Adrienne Rich, Naomi Shihab Nye, Rachel M. Simon, Donald Justice, Mary Oliver, Nikki Giovanni, Alice Walker, Bukowski, Mary Lambert

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whitetea

whitetea

18 years ago

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I feel really honored by your reading this, I've read some of your stuff and think the world of it. I think your name is a great one and you have a very creative signature. Thankyou so very much for reading and discerning. :) Kudos, Whitetea
whitetea

whitetea

18 years ago

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Bingo. You are good. I did research on it though and I think part of it might have been borrowed from a Christian temperance movement that was partly led by Sylvester Graham. He preached abstaining from tea, coffee, alcohol, and gambling. And vegetarianism for a very unique reason, only to curb the sex drive... That part kind of gets Amish, plain wives and such. The guy was really... extreme. lol.
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barbsdad2003

18 years ago

I beg ...

to differ with Sylvester here, I'm shamefully announcing ... with my neck being stretched disconcertingly far out. Being vegetarian in no way curbs the sex drive. It's apparent Sylvie hasn't/hadn't tried the (sexy) v. life-style. And his observations (of others, I assume?) and assumptions in that regard fail the reality test. But then why should religion(s) have anything to do with reality? And how would being vegetarian in action/outlook be intemperate? (No need to address my impertinent questions. They're totally rhetorical in nature.) Regards, Chuckles
whitetea

whitetea

18 years ago

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By all means go ahead. Its always welcome. I really think the guy was off his rocker. Just some tightlipped crazy who preached emotional constipation. The guy was off his rocker. I'm not sure where he pulled that one out of. I guess my problem with most christian based religions is they are more about what you shouldn't be and have little to do with being. They want you to be "righteous" but that is vague. Energy and passion is left alone or altogether shunned in some cases.
whitetea

whitetea

18 years ago

hi weirdelf

Thankyou for the wonderful chat the other day. I enjoyed getting to know more about you. I wonder alot about the people behind good writing. thankyou also for reading. barbsdad got it right, LDS religion. I remember the first time sneaking into coffee at hotel when I was 11, I felt like such a rebel until it made me cough. Thinking back on it is pretty funny.
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barbsdad2003

18 years ago

Oh, whitetea, whitetea ...

I too want that more men would include, from time to time, a scenic view turnout from their otherwise straight-line highways. But, alas! the bulk of them consider such thinking frivolous, irrelevant, inefficient, frilly ... and, most pejorative adjective of all, downright feminine (if not at least a little pink). Yours, Chuck
whitetea

whitetea

18 years ago

oh hello again! sorry for the long winded reply of mine!

good to see you again Chuck! It's always good to meet someone like minded on certain topics. I usually stop people right in their tracks when it comes to gender bashing, because I don't think it accomplishes much and think the energy is better focused on closing part of the gender gap. I just wanted to explain a bit, because I don't want to seem like a man hater. Not even close. What spawned this is the general attitudes of people here, especially men. This is... a little angry towards narrow minds, circular logic etc. This is also battling it out towards chauvinistic outlooks. If you are LDS I respect that I that, know many good people who have done good things in the name and practice of the religion. I do think that if someone follows that faith they need to be careful to not get stuck in a dangerous contemptuous ethnocentric view of the world, because a lot of the LDS outlook is them vs the ways of the world. I am the only one in my family who hasn't followed in these footsteps and its caused a lot of strife. A good part of this is my younger brother, his way to do good is so narrow though he means well. But he looks down on so many and our relationship is damaged because I've chosen a different life. (hehe or ironically my tea drinking) I am really trying to come to terms with certain biblical concepts let alone an extra few books of theirs. He is very very logical minded, not exactly exceptionally intelligent, but logical as in, this leads to that and to that no exceptions. He is like many other LDS guys I know, and they reject diversity, culture, strength of character, passions so on. It is hard for me to see what makes me- me be so blatantly defined and rejected. I used to consider myself someone that was more like men but thats when I mostly hung around only guys. When I started having more mixed company I started realizing I wasn't different at all from the rest of the women I know and realized some big differences between male and female thinking. To the credit of men, the varities women have are usually only positive if she is centered. If shes not she is a real pain and a hard case to deal with. Women can be very fickle. Men have better momentum when it comes to moods than women usually, and its easier for a woman to stray off course. I really appreciate your expressing yourself in this matter and I completely agree with you. I wish more men could embrace those things. Thanks for dropping by, you strike me as someone with an incredible capacity for insight. Always a pleasure to talk with you. -White Tea
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barbsdad2003

18 years ago

Nope! Not Mormon, not Christian, not ...

much of anything, really. (Which, as Martha Stewart is wont to say about quite a lot of things, is a good thing.) Although I spent a couple of childhood years in and near Arco, Idaho, so I have some familiarity with Mormon insularities. My child years were spent, very much claustrophobically, in the clutches of Christian Fundamentalism. And of course, to add insult to my psychic injuries, my father became a Methodist minister while I was in the fourth grade---Methodism being far more liberal (but not liberal enough!) than the general extended family's (sometimes even nondenominational) Christian Fundamentalism. Most of my adult life has been spent sidestepping (or slipping from) the sticky leftover tendrils of years of religious demands and inputs placed upon me as a child. The freedom thus earned has been wonderfully lightening and, well, freeing. Freeing emotionally, psychologically, even to some degree physically. And, of course, has granted me a kind of sanity that had earlier felt forever out of reach. My only regret, I guess, regarding all this, is that it seems too many years have been wasted with the struggle that, had I been safely in the arms of a different family, would have been entirely unnecessary. Child abuse comes in many forms. Yours, Chuck PS: You might enjoy my early tongue-in-cheek piece posted to this site called "a word of holy caution." There are others here and there at least slightly more blasphemic. And, as I think one might expect, I enjoy doing blasphemy. PPS: I did/do not in the slightest think of you as a man hater. PPPS: Oh! And by the way, thanx for the compliments. They're warmly received.
themoonman

themoonman

18 years ago

whitetea...

enjoyed your poem.. you've gotten some great comments on your work.. say you took a year off of writing? glad you started back and decided to grace us here with it.. thanks for posting.. Richard
whitetea

whitetea

18 years ago

Let it be known I read and

Let it be known I read and value everyone who reads and cares enough to say a little because of it. I've thought alot about what you said here, even though i didn't respond right away. I really admire your work. Thanks for those kind things, always, white tea
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pinksheep

18 years ago

I think

this poem is absolutely superb and i have to say this as i am going to ask a favour from you , you are a far better poet than me you have clarity, and your images are both vivid and subtle at the same time, I'm a bit scared to say this, the last line falls a bit flat for me, could you say borders neatly laid in an another way, or maybe in 2 lines, it is true of these people yes they have manicured edges and hedges-
whitetea

whitetea

18 years ago

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I often write out the way it sounds in a spoken way in my head. I used to read a lot of what I wrote as a requirement in a class of mine. If I were to read it, I would read it with more of a bitter tone. It fits for me, because it is simple speaking to people who only accept the same. Maybe I've read too much Linda Pastan lately, but I like the punch to be in the middle, the end to be like a passing thought before I go, something a little unwoven. Thank you for reading by the way. I like your work. :)
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pinksheep

18 years ago

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appreciate that this is to be read in a bitter tone, with the end tailing off so as to speak,or the end could be read quite sharply, it does not necessarily have to tail off-In short i am grasping now whitetea what you are saying, thank you-