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When the Sky is but an Illusion

Before my feet, a chasm.
Before my mind, a pause.
Across the ground, a spasm,
Of undetermined cause.

Within the chasm, twilight.
Within my mind, the same.
Across the vista, a plight,
Of undetermined blame.

Beyond the twilight, nightfall.
Beyond my mind, unclear.
Across the crevice, a squall,
Of undetermined fear.

Upon the nightfall, deserts.
Upon my mind, pale screams.
Across the vast waste, concerts,
Of undetermined dreams.


— Pugilist, Mar 06, 2008

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Region, Country: Jacksonville area, FL, USA, USA

Favorite Poets: Keats, Kipling, Carroll, Yeats, Tolkien, Shakespeare

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pinksheep

18 years 2 months ago

This

is if you would excuse the paradox a little Gargantua , it is a minor classic, it has immediacy and certainty- May i say this here? it has absolutely no cringe factor whatsoever , it contains no nasty words nor neither is it corny-Now I am ending in a little ditty, and it is not one of those positive it's all for the best in the best of all possible worlds little ditties- It goes something like this-It's impossible sometimes not to cringe ,I d'ont know whether it comes from the inside or the outside,all i know is that it is just instinctive-Les
slybard

slybard

18 years 2 months ago

i can only say that i’ve

i can only say that i've not read a poem as good as this anywhere...i do realise that your meter is quite perfect....otherwise,i'd be speechless.will be waiting to read more of your work.. Josh
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purplemoondoll

18 years 3 months ago

I was caught in the rhythm

I was caught in the rhythm as soon as I started to read. This flows like a dream. Every verse captures a moment and some brilliant images - I particularly like these lines ;- Beyond the twilight, nightfall. Beyond my mind, unclear. Across the fissure, a squall, Of undetermined fear. I really enjoyed reading this. I like your writing style. Kaz It's impossible to smile on the outside without feeling better on the inside.
Jonathan Moore

Jonathan Moore

18 years 3 months ago

Thanks greatly for your

Thanks greatly for your review and comment. The 3rd stanza has been a favourite with folks who've reviewed this. For the most part I work in an exact meter and structure and this poem was an experiment in a difficult structure. I appreciate you taking the time to review and comment.
Candlewitch

Candlewitch

18 years 3 months ago

Hello,

I echo what Kaz just wrote, however, my favorite verse is the last as it is the most powerful, as it should be! Wonderful and evocative! Cat
Jonathan Moore

Jonathan Moore

18 years 3 months ago

Thank you very much for your

Thank you very much for your kind comments. I have to admit the 4th stanza nails down the meaning of the poem for me, giving resolution. But I will take any praise I can get. Thanks again for you review and comments.
KN

Kieran Nelson

18 years 3 months ago

I liked the style but

I liked the style but there's a few things I didn't think worked: "Across the landscape, a plight" and "Across the fissure, a squall" For me I didn't think the"a plight" or "a squall" parts worked. They didn't roll off the tongue like the other parts and I beleive, and I may be wrong, but this could be down to the heavy vowel sounds in "landscApe" and "fissUre". They seem to clash with the "a" sound which follow them. If this was your intent to highlight these parts then fine, although I'm not sure why you would. I'd suggest losing the middle "a"s. Just some thoughts! Kieran "Mind, how you go!" - Roger McGough's poem for LSD Awareness Week
Jonathan Moore

Jonathan Moore

18 years 3 months ago

It looks like we’re

It looks like we're accenting different part of the words in question. For me it's: “Across the LANDscape, A plight” and “Across the FISsure, A squall” to create a rising and falling pattern and establish a sense of urgency in the meter. But to me, poetry is art and art is communication. If I did not communicate sufficiently with you, the fault is mine. Thanks for taking the time to read and comment on my work, it is greatly appreciated.
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poewriter58

18 years 3 months ago

welcome

Your verse had me captivated between reality and thought beautiful work hope to read more will be watching for it Chrys
Rob Graber

Rob Graber

18 years 3 months ago

A sense of mystery–and

A sense of mystery--and mystification!--well conveyed through effective use of rhyme and meter. Metrically, line 11 I find slightly forced; but definitely a fine job here!
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blistered-pen

18 years 2 months ago

I love it

the way it flows, the way it's seamless.. it also made me kind of sad. Just thought I would let you know that your poem is amazing. No flaws (in my eyes).. Kudos tenfold. =)
Jonathan Moore

Jonathan Moore

18 years 2 months ago

Thank you very much for your

Thank you very much for your kind comments. The next poem I post will be a major shift in subject matter though still will be very structured. I would be interested in your views of it.
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Essi.Daven

18 years 2 months ago

...

Across the ground, a spasm, Of undetermined cause. ... Across the waste, a concert, Of undetermined dreams. This is a breathtaking contrast and the poem is really beautiful.
Jonathan Moore

Jonathan Moore

18 years 2 months ago

I appreciate you taking the

I appreciate you taking the time to review and comment on my work. This poem was an experiment in a constrained structure and even though I was pleased with the result it is satisfying to see others have enjoyed it as well.
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Ancientone

18 years 2 months ago

But all is an illusion! :)

But, my poet friend, life is nothing more than an illusion of our minds eye. Enjoy it, cry about it, laugh about it and allude to it in all ways possible, preferably in poetic ways as you did here. Nicely done. :))))) Patrick/AO
Jonathan Moore

Jonathan Moore

17 years 2 months ago

An example

Although I did not mean this as an example of what I always preach, I'll use it anyway. The 3rd line in the 3rd stanza always bothered me because it broke the symmetry of the poem by having 3 instead of 2 syllables after the comma. so, as I was going through my poms for Volume II of Suck Free Poetry I saw this and decided it must be fixed. After a couple of reads I find I am now much more satisfied. This brings to mind similar instances in the martial arts classes I teach. I tell the teenagers: "If an old man with arthritis who is recovering from shoulder surgery can do this, what are the chances that I will let you slide?" So, If I am willing and anxious to go back to work I wrote a year ago and fix the inconsistency in it, what are the chances I will give anyone a pass on "good enough?" Good enough is just another way of saying "I don't give a shit." Poetry is too important for that kind of attitude. --Jonathan Annoying the world, one person at a time (Group discounts available)
Cloudthings

Cloudthings

17 years 2 months ago

Brilliant precision, & I would love to know your thoughts on les

Oh yes I love this, neat & sharp & true. I vote 5 of course, I must... well written... & wonderful Hmm I have just noticed your comment above though, if I may opine, I disagree, I can't be like you, so clear as to what is right or wrong, I don't know & many of us don't, what is the "best way to do a thing", it isn't about "not giving a shit", it's about being ok with the way it is until we work out a better fit or way or a more precise poem... It's just a different way to do it... is it not important to allow poetry to be a process of learning too, with room for tolerance & mistakes, as long as we are willing to seek a better path or form or line? Just wondering, am truly interested in your thoughts here since I have great respect for your work & the things I have read from you. PS it's true this work is clearly refined & worked to precision & as a result is worthy of great admiration, of course I see your point, just wonder if there is not room for other ways/styles/aproaches. Anni "Out beyond the ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing, there is a field. I will meet you there. When the soul lies down in that grass, the world is too full to talk about ideas, language, and even the phrase, "each other" doesn't make any sense."
Jonathan Moore

Jonathan Moore

17 years 2 months ago

Good points

And we actually agree, I've just not quite succeeded in communicating it correctly. When I talk about "not giving a shit" it does not reflect people who post their work and are open to review and possible change, it reflects people who post their work and refuse to consider any critique and respond that they are done with a piece and it's up to the writer to "figure it out" or who defend their work and spend more time justifying the errors than they ever did writing. Those people and I will never get along. A lot of the poetry I write is like a puzzle in my mind and there are pieces that fit correctly and make the work complete and there are pieces that are close but do not complete the work. Sometimes that's evident in a matter of minutes, sometimes that takes a decade. My point is that if something does not scan right, the writer must fix it when they find the correct word or phrase or pacing or punctuation or whatever and if they do not, well, it's lazy and puts more onus on the reader. But I fully understand different poets write in different manners and different styles and some of the folks I respect most here write both in a wildly different style and process. But their work shows thought and planning and they are open to suggestions and critique and thus are a solid member of the community. But, for this piece, since I harp on others I wanted to show that I hold myself to the same standards. I see another point has been raised below so I will need to review and consider and determine if I might find a balance between the way I hear the work and the way others are doing so and smooth out the areas causing stumbles. And as I plan to publish this in June, I'd best get on it. But I appreciate your thoughts and comments and welcome your point of view. --Jonathan Annoying the world, one person at a time (Group discounts available)
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Arrow

17 years 2 months ago

Breathing and the third lines,

I had the same problem as Kieran with the third lines but for a different reason. You are writing in iambic tetrameter, I think, and hearing: “Across the LANDscape, A plight” (taken from your comment) ux/ux/ux/u (where u is unstressed and x is stressed) but when I see a comma, I take a breath which takes the spot of the stressed syllable so I hear: aCROSS the LANDscape (breath), a PLIGHT, ux/ux/u*/ux and the same for the fissure/squall line. I hope that makes sense. I'd be curious as to your thoughts on this. I never understood how to scan a "breath," for lack of a better word. Of course, the only reason these lines stand out is b/c the rest flow so perfectly.
Jonathan Moore

Jonathan Moore

17 years 2 months ago

Syllables

I took a harder look at the lines in questions and tried to put my mind in the same to which place you and Kieran are referring and, hopefully, was able to see your point. I believe the problem is word-choice because not all syllables are created equally and upon slowing down and trying to understand what was happening, I felt "landscape" and "fissure" just did not have the right mouth-feel and were setting up too harsh a transition between the ending syllables of the first part of the line and the beginning syllables of the next and thus were creating the stumble you and Kieran had indicated. So I am trying words with a softer transition. My initial reaction is a smoother read but as I had to be beat over the head on this I would honestly appreciate your feedback. --Jonathan Annoying the world, one person at a time (Group discounts available)
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Arrow

17 years 2 months ago

That seems to have fixed it,

though not for the reason I thought. I think you are right. I am a musician by training and tend to think in terms of beats and rests so thinking about the syllables like this was interesting. Good luck with publication.
Pixee

Pixee

17 years 1 month ago

Hello Pugilist

I thought your poem had good rhythm to it. Your western style was beautiful. I hope some day I will be able to write like you and the others. Keep on with the graceful writings. Take Care of You! Sincerely, Pixee
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Ink Dragon

17 years 1 month ago

Jonathan,

What is absolutely gripping here is the parallelism of the underlying structure. I can see how much thought you have put into this piece, and I know you´re a perfectionist, so I hope you will consider a few minor changes to make it even better. I do not think a comma is needed at the end of the 3rd lines of each stanza, in fact, they make me pause a little too long before the following "of". The two-syllable words "vista" and "crevice" change the metre in stanzas 2 and 3 (as opposed to stanza 1), I found them a little rough, too. But then, it might have been your intention to change the metre (?). Anyhow, I like that of the first stanza better (may be a matter of tastes, of course). The same is true for your last stanza, where "vast waste" is a really catchy word choice but adds that one syllable again. I´d suggest using "view" and "gorge" instead of "vista" and "crevice". Of course, there is also the possibility of looking for a two syllable word to replace "ground" in the first stanza. I will be revisiting this, liked it very much. Yours, ~Nina “Like plumbers and dentists, poets are fallible, and the possibility of genuine nonsense cannot be ruled out.” (Mark Haddon)
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orgami

17 years 1 month ago

I have written a poem after reading yours too

Mine I call "UNderneath" with the same "Illusion" theme I was moved to write a reply such the poignancy of this poem struck my heart also ANd the finished peice occured while walking in the quiet street home tonight Five stars of course my freind